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Jan. 28, 2025

Episode 403: ⚠️ Mastering the Art of Podcasting and AI in the Workplace ⚠️

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Season 4 Partner

🛑 What is the future of ERP and Microsoft Dynamics 365 Business Central with AI?

🛑 What goes on behind the scenes of a podcast?

In this conversation, Kris and Brad sit with Microsoft MVP and popular podcast host Mark Smith. The conversation covers many topics and themes, including the impact of sleep on productivity, cultural perspectives on technology, the evolution of podcasting, personal growth, and AI's role in modern work. 

➡️ The importance of reskilling for an AI-driven future and the need for continuous learning in a rapidly changing technological landscape.  

➡️The future of AI and the necessity for reskilling in the workforce. 

➡️Strategies for scaling podcasting efforts and valuable advice for aspiring podcasters. 

➡️The future of technology mainly focuses on AI's role in ERP systems and the evolving nature of consulting. 

 

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Chapters

00:00 - Time Zones and Future Conversations

08:31 - Sci-Fi and Reality

14:11 - Podcast Passion and Technology Insights

29:57 - Podcasting, Scale, and Human Connections

43:54 - Podcasting Passion and Learning Success

52:58 - Podcast Production and Marketing Insights

01:01:29 - Engaging Podcasting Strategies and Tech

01:14:11 - The Future of AI in ERP

01:23:13 - Future Technology and Human Evolution

Transcript
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Welcome everyone to another episode of Dynamics Corner.

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What does it take to do all of this, Brad?

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I'm your co-host, Chris.

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And this is Brad.

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This episode was recorded on January 13th 2025.

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Chris, Chris, Chris.

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What does it take to do all of this?

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That is a full question With us.

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Today, we had the opportunity to speak with a guest to learn about that, as well as rules and what is time for money, and he's also another individual that does all of this and then some, With us.

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Today, we had the opportunity to speak with Mark Smith.

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Good morning, sir.

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How are you doing?

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The man himself and yourself excellent.

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Thank you, excellent.

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I I really enjoy speaking with uh podcast participants from your location because you come to us from the future that's right, that's right it's tell me what.

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What lotto numbers?

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What?

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What's your next lotto coming up?

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I'll tell you the numbers that win exactly, if you would please do so.

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Um, it's.

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It's something interesting to think about as well, too, because I think you're 18 hours ahead of us or ahead of me, which yeah, is it.

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I think he's 18 hours ahead.

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Of us it's morning, to him it's afternoon it's 8 am in the morning for me on january the 14th to him it's afternoon.

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It's 8 am in the morning for me on january the 14th let's see, it's january the 13th here.

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Wow, crazy a is it, isn't it crazy?

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I tell you what I wish they could.

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They could update time zone stuff, you know, and, like one, get rid of daylight savings all around the world, and, um, I reckon there'd be a new, modern way of doing time because, you know, the current time system was based on, I think, the railroad system is why they put this concept of time zones.

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It had to do with the railroad system way back in the day.

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I remember reading years ago and I just think once again it's something that we've inherited, like the QWERTY keyboard.

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Yes, it's one of those things that have been around and we work with implementations of ERP software and in the case you work with Power Platform and such, which we'll talk about on top of a few other things.

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But we always tell everybody don't just do something, because you've always done it.

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I agree with you Get rid of daylight savings time.

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We don't need it, and I even think we could get rid of time zones, because I think we could adapt to what we do at specific times.

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We go to bed and we wake up.

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It doesn't need to be it would be so much easier.

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And then it would be on the same day and you wouldn't be in the future.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly Exactly.

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And also happy new year Same to you and we always see Australia starts the new year off, because early in the morning for us it's January 1st, that's right For those in Australia.

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I've never been to Australia.

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I have to get over there With the MVP program back when I joined, everybody around the world, well out in the Northern Hemisphere, would be waiting for the 1st of January to find out if they had.

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You know if you're going to get it for the first time.

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If you're going to get it and for me it was always the 2nd of January I had to wait till right.

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It was never on the 1st, it was actually on the 2nd you had an extra day to wait.

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It was weird, it was actually on the second, you had an extra day to wait.

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It was weird.

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It was weird.

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Yeah, that is funny it is.

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It is Several things I was looking to speak with you about today and I appreciate your time and taking the time to speak with us.

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Even so, from the future, and if anything happens, just let me know so I can prepare as I go to bed tonight for the morning.

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I'll let you know when the apocalypse goes to happen before it actually does, so you've got time to prep.

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I've got 21 hours.

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Yeah, there you go.

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He's 21 hours ahead of me, that is crazy.

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It's almost a day that's a day.

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Is that challenging for you Because I don't even know?

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Is it challenging for you Because I know here in the United States most of the anybody within that region?

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Do you have challenges?

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Do you always go by?

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You know UTC, or what do you do to?

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adapt.

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The biggest thing is using things, tools now right to mitigate it, but the hardest thing for me, like my company, is a UK based company and we're exactly 12 hours different, so if I'm doing it 11 pm my time, it's 11 am in the morning there.

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But getting that crossover in business hours is difficult many times, and so I've just got used to working.

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I'll work from anything from midnight through to the early hours of the morning.

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That's like one shift of my day, and then the next shift is in my daylight hours.

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How does that deal with your sleep?

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Yeah, yeah, I function pretty good on six hours.

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If I get six hours, I'm good with that, and yeah it works.

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You think you're good with it.

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Read the book why we Sleep.

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I read it recently.

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Listen, think you're good with it.

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Read the book why we Sleep.

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I read it recently.

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Listen, I have an aura ring.

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And.

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I do monitor a lot and I'm trying to maintain to get to like seven hours of sleep, just because I know it's good for my health.

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But yeah, age is definitely excessive.

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Oh, it is, it is.

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It depends on what's going on in my life with the impact on sleep.

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But there was a period after reading that book I made some adjustments, not that the book told me to make any adjustments.

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The book just explains the physiological effects of sleep and things on sleep and there were several days that I finally felt refreshed, where I slept the entire I didn't get tired the entire day, which was a great feeling.

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But you having that staggered shift must be a challenge.

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Yeah, it's not all the time, right, it's periodic.

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It's if I'm on a contract with Microsoft and I'm delivering training, you know I'll have a four hour block from, let's say, 2amm or something like that, depending on daylight saving time zones and things, but I'm often doing pacific time in that case in the us um no pacific time.

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Yeah, that's the 18 hours, yeah it's 21 for him that must be crazy with someone who's just close to you, because they would be 23 hours, so they're closer to you geographically but further from you.

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So yeah, if you really think about this time zone thing, we do need to do away with it, because but like all these things, like you know imperial and metric measurements, you got big countries left and right inside of the roads.

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You got big countries left and right inside of the roads.

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Those things you know.

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People will die on their hill of why it needs to be the way it always has been.

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So that's wild when the us was talking about switching to the metric system many years ago I think I was young.

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I was all for it because it's so much easier to just have.

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I understand it's so much easier to have one system.

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But I do also understand why they say we already have so many things in production.

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But that mentality goes back to what I'm saying Just because you've done something forever doesn't mean you need to do it, and eventually that would fall off.

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So anything new would be all in the metric system and anything old would eventually either be a treasure or a valuable souvenir.

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But it would fall off A relic If you watch Silo, it'll be a relic.

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That's a great show, by the way.

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Awesome.

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Next week's the final.

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Which show is that again?

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Silo, it's on Apple.

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Silo.

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I'm looking for a new show to watch With.

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Becca.

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Ferguson it's such a good show.

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It's so good.

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I've just got back into sci-fi a bit because of AI and just how you.

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What has been sci-fi in the past has become our reality in so many different ways, and so I love this whole concept and also I'm putting myself in because you know, the premise is something happened on earth.

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They put big boreholes down to the earth and built these like 150, 200, story down into the earth um little cities that 10 000 people live in and, of course, you're just getting a lens of one silo, not realizing that there's 50 of them.

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I'll have to check it out.

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I just check it out, right.

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I will, I will.

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I'm looking, as I had mentioned, I'm looking for a new show.

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I just finished Tulsa King season two last night, so I try to watch one show.

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It's part of my routine to unwind in the evening before I go to bed.

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So it is an unwinding thing, right, like if I come off a podcast or a, a meeting you know at, you know, between 10 and 11 o'clock at night, um, because I'm doing time zone in the uk, I will just be my brain's fizzing and it just.

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You need something to settle it, you know you do.

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That's why I do a book and a show before bed and I don't know, silas, when it's like sometimes you watch movies where, like, it requires you to think it's like wow, this is fascinating.

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Silas, one of them, you know it's like wow it could happen, yeah, yeah that's the thing, right.

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I love any show that's kind of on the brink of reality, and that's why I think I've liked sci-fi again a lot, because in the era of ai that we're living in, you can just see so much more things becoming plausible yes, I agree with you on shows that could be real.

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I don't like those far-fetched.

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You know chris runs into a bar.

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You know 14 000 men shoot at him with a gun and he never gets hit, but he manages to kill everybody.

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Those I don't get into, but those that are plausible I get so into, because it's like that could be real.

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It's believable that it could happen.

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My pet peeve in movies is when the protagonist almost gets beaten up to the point of death or whatever.

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But you know they're the protagonist, so they're not, they're gonna win.

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Yeah.

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And you know, like in fight scenes and stuff, they almost get there, you know, beaten totally down, and then last minute it's like there's a new wind of strength they have and they come back right and you're just like, come on, like yeah and I have those conversations.

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I said because, if that was, if you watched a bar fight, a bar fight doesn't last for 30 minutes.

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A bar fight typically lasts for a couple hits and then people are down and out, whatever.

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The only show that I said will say that I liked and it goes with what you had said, was game of thrones, because game of thrones you could like somebody.

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You watched them and they did like they, they really did that well because, yeah, yeah, the protagonist was the protagonist until he was dead.

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Yeah, you know it's not like three seasons later, where you know he got beat up and shot and he's hanging on, you know, by limb, by limb, that's all good fun.

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You know what though?

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The only fight type movies back in the day, steven Seagal right.

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Yes.

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His movies it never looked like he was going to lose the fight Right.

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But you go to a James Bond movie you go to any of these, they almost look like they're going to, you know, get taken out and then they recover and it's like the other thing is some of the hits and fights here like there's no way that person would have come off the ground.

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Yeah, absolutely correct.

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And it's the same thing Like episode two of season one.

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We already know there's three seasons.

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Yeah, the guy's not dying.

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Yeah, but but with that, before we jump into the conversation.

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I could talk about this all afternoon or all morning or whatever we are today, but before we jump into the conversation, would you mind telling us a little bit about yourself?

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Yes, I'm a guy, I have a microphone 21 hours in the future.

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Yeah, yeah, this is the future.

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Talking to you, yeah, so what do I say about myself?

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I love tech, I love life, I love the future of possibilities.

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I love the fact that we're not defined by who we're brought up.

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You know, you can change things.

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One phrase I I love and I read it in a book by this indian author some years ago was the concept of brules, um, which is basically a play on the word rules and the play on the word bullshit.

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Right, bullshit, rules are brules, and that often we're brought up with these rules in our life that are literally your parents.

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They were trying to control you in a situation, so they made a rule If you pull a face and the wind changes, your face is going to get stuck like that, right, that's an extreme one, but the thing is is that there's so many more subtle ones that you have through life.

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And the example he gave in the book was, you know, he's brought up in india a culture, of course, where they don't tend to eat cows or meat and a mcdonald's came to town and he saw the burger, you know, and the big juicy patty in it, and he said to his mom, I'm gonna eat that and, like she, like you can't.

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Well, you can't because religious reasons, blah, blah, blah.

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He was like, yeah, that was a bullshit rule, that was a brawl.

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So he goes, he went.

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Nah, that was the best decision of his life, totally loved it, you know.

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And the thing is is that there's so many subtle ones, of those that condition us, though, in life.

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And so, you know, in the area of tech, you know Satya, I just watched an hour and a half long podcast of him yesterday that he just recently did, and he goes back to that whole how he moved Microsoft by.

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You know Carol Dweck's book, mindsets fixed in an open mindset, and I just think that this you can really be, and, of course, if the folks that have a mindset to go, no, you can't.

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You know, you can do and be whatever you want in this tech space, um, that you want.

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If you want it like it is possible.

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I just love the like unlimited nature of things.

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So I know that's a weird way of describing who I am, but it kind of gives you a feel of how I think and yeah, I appreciate that, I really appreciate that.

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Uh, something else that you do is you do podcasts yeah, yeah, and I just I just launched it.

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Well, I haven't launched it, I've just recorded my first episode of a total new podcast, uh, tail ender last week.

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So I've been podcasting for eight years now.

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Um, I think today I just published 641, 41st episode, um 641 episodes in eight years, that's that's amazing and a few few that is amazing, and I see so many podcasts popping up, and podcasts are becoming more popular as far as listenership is concerned, because I, to me, they're easy.

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I listen to a lot of them because you hear information from other people, right it's no longer just uh, somebody that has a big corporation or a lot of financing, because now you get a microphone, they have many servicesailable for you to publish it, rather inexpensive and you can put Information out.

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There's a lot of good content Available and I like it.

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There's a rawness to it as well, like even watching this video with Sachi the other day, which was a video podcast.

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Is how it was done.

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He had two Interviewers and I feel you get an insight into somebody that can't be fully curated right they asked him questions and you could see he would pause.

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He had to think about how he was going to respond.

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You could see, in some situations he had to play um very tactfully because he doesn't want to release um nda stuff that's coming, you know.

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And then there's the whole.

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You could see him darting around legal ramifications of how he could answer right, and so it was just.

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It was interesting to see that um, the choreography, if you like, of the conversation and then also the interviewer knowing, when they had exhausted a line of questioning, that no matter how much they pressed it, he wasn't going any further, and to be able to read that nuance.

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And I suppose this is the way I look at it, because last week I did three days of my podcast recording and I record in three days a month.

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That's when I do my recordings.

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So I did three days, about eight podcasts a day last week Tuesday, wednesday, thursday.

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So, and the thing is here, I am, you know, my eighth year of doing it and it could get tired.

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Yet that week was the most invigorating week to me ever, because I just feel like you keep going to a new level of I so want to connect with this guest that I've got on and really go.

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I suppose what I've come as super, super curious about other people's lenses on whatever, as in their view, what I mean by lenses on the world and everybody has something to contribute and the way they look at it can totally change the way I look at it, and so it's becoming, you know, I was saying to my wife, I'm just loving recording this year.

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It's just so, you know, exciting to me and I just feel like we're uncovering new concepts and ideas all the time and I use that to feed my narrative and how, whatever I'm working on.

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So, yeah, it's definitely not I'm not getting sick of it, it's just like I feel like 2025 is just a whole new power band, you know, level up.

00:18:49.066 --> 00:18:51.424
I feel the same.

00:18:51.424 --> 00:18:52.367
I feel the same.

00:18:53.864 --> 00:18:57.152
You had so much in there that I want to comment on and I have to wait.

00:18:57.152 --> 00:19:00.107
So three days a month you do your recordings.

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Yeah.

00:19:01.340 --> 00:19:09.883
And you did eight podcasts a day over those three days yeah that has to be pretty exhausting, number one.

00:19:10.404 --> 00:19:16.303
But also to go back to what you said with the, the being invigorated by the conversation with the guests.

00:19:16.303 --> 00:19:21.840
One thing I know that I get chris and I talk about this, but I'll speak for myself for the moment.

00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:26.492
Chris can comment on his thoughts on it, but I have a feeling I understand his thoughts as well from our conversations.

00:19:26.492 --> 00:19:51.683
That's one of the things I have a passion about with this, I think, with technology, in the way that the world is in the opportunity to meet individuals from different cultures, different countries, different organizations, to be able to talk with them and really get a good understanding not even a good understanding, but just to get, as you had mentioned, the perspective of someone else.

00:19:51.683 --> 00:19:59.604
It's enlightening in a sense, and I've learned so much from just doing this podcast with the conversations.

00:20:00.526 --> 00:20:34.372
So yeah, I feel the same way, because you do have a brand new perspective of the things that you think you knew or I knew, and realize like, oh, that's a good way to put it, and the fact that, uh, the technology now it allows us to do this right, like I mean, you're 21 hours ahead of me and and being able to learn how do you use certain technology in your part of the world that's different from mine, and it does allows me to go back and rethink of how I should approach certain things as well.

00:20:35.153 --> 00:20:35.914
It's fascinating.

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And I'm white belt for life, right?

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I always tell Brad that.

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It's like that's my mindset.

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I got to learn it.

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I got to learn it.

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That is so cool.

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I'm going to note that one down straight off.

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It was just like a connecting concept, right.

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Yeah, very cool it's.

00:20:50.461 --> 00:20:55.272
Another good thing with the podcast is Chris Adventure.

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You just many people I've become friendly with too, and you know everybody brings something to it as well, and it's always great to see some someone in person.

00:21:05.807 --> 00:21:17.011
And I enjoy Chris's saying too, because in this day, 2025, the way technology is moving and how many things are being created, you know it's not like it was.

00:21:17.011 --> 00:21:22.567
You know, a thousand years ago, a hundred years ago, I mean, how long did it take to you know, for us to forge steel?

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you know back from hands.

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You know, if you look at the amount of time it took in the Industrial Revolution to create things versus the amount of time it does now.

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Nobody can know everything.

00:21:32.009 --> 00:21:37.528
You can know some things, and I don't even think anybody can know anything about a particular topic anymore.

00:21:37.528 --> 00:21:40.847
I think you can know a lot, so you are always constantly learning.

00:21:40.847 --> 00:21:46.248
So you've done eight years, 641 episodes.

00:21:46.248 --> 00:21:53.131
You definitely have to have a passion for it and you have how many different podcasts that you do?

00:21:53.673 --> 00:22:14.122
So I have one podcast called the Microsoft Business sorry, that was the old name, the Microsoft Innovation Podcast podcast and within it there is now five shows.

00:22:14.122 --> 00:22:14.462
So there's the.

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The og was, when I was just dynamics 365.

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Right, this is pre-power platform days and so it was very much focused around that and so some of the shows have changed names over time or I've retired the show.

00:22:24.923 --> 00:22:34.996
So as my career kind of transitioned from Dynamics into Power Platform that show, the Power Platform show became one of my key shows.

00:22:34.996 --> 00:22:45.549
Then I had a show called the Power 365 show where I only interviewed Microsoft FTEs on that show, generally product team type folks on that show.

00:22:45.549 --> 00:22:59.429
It's now been renamed to the co-pilot show because every Microsoft employee needs to be thinking about selling AI nowadays Now that Microsoft is an AI company, and so that's been a transition that I've made.

00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:13.727
I have another show, that is the MVP show, where I endeavored to interview all the MVPs in Microsoft BizApps and that was like four or five years ago.

00:23:13.727 --> 00:23:21.611
I started that thinking that I would exhaust that list and I have never been able to exhaust that list and that's only BizApps MVPs.

00:23:21.611 --> 00:23:34.680
I just made the decision in about November last year is that I'm going to stop just recording Microsoft BizApps MVPs and I'm going to go broader.

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I'm going to just seek out MVPs that I reckon have a different view on things and tech, and my changes that I've seen and how my career has evolved is that I cannot just stick within the one vertical category anymore, because I feel everything's blending, and particularly ai is blending everything.

00:23:59.729 --> 00:24:17.967
You know m365 has become massively on my radar in the last year because of copilot, and if you want to edit them with copilot studio, which was a biz apps product, you've got this whole blend now, and now with um foundry, it's like now we're over in the azure space.

00:24:17.967 --> 00:24:22.480
Um, everything ai has something to do with data.

00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.346
So that means well, you've got to go into to fabric, right?

00:24:25.346 --> 00:24:31.460
You can't not be in fabric um as part of it, and then security is always prevalent.

00:24:31.460 --> 00:24:35.271
So that takes you into purview you, and so I'm just finding you.

00:24:36.095 --> 00:24:43.932
Where I've traditionally stayed within the single lane, it's now in the consulting with the, the type of customers I work with.

00:24:43.932 --> 00:24:50.009
I've got to have this broader lens of microsoft's full offering to bring to the to bear.

00:24:50.009 --> 00:24:52.012
But of course I'm no longer.

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My role is no longer working on a specific tool like people.

00:24:55.928 --> 00:25:05.074
Other people do that, but I need to be able to be able to stretch strategy more broadly across this entire tool set rather than just one.

00:25:05.074 --> 00:25:07.808
So the exposure is just increasing.

00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:23.288
Then I have this other show called the Ecosystem Show, and that's five of us that go on and we just riff on whatever around ecosystem architecture, and so once again, that's bringing really.

00:25:23.288 --> 00:25:38.992
It's more aimed, I suppose, suppose at enterprise architects the conversation and really holistically looking at your entire data estate, your entire tool stack and this can involve um outside microsoft.

00:25:38.992 --> 00:25:46.271
So you know, would that be pega, sap, oracle service, now any number of other products?

00:25:46.271 --> 00:25:51.412
But how do you really look at ecosystem as an architecture model?

00:25:51.412 --> 00:26:14.567
Because it really affects where you let data reside, and in the past, most ecosystems are built around a single big thing, like if it's SAP is your core thing, and then it's a case of everyone try to retrofit everything into that one thing, and so you don't necessarily get the best outcome for the organization.

00:26:14.708 --> 00:26:20.785
So that one's just a great one where it's a totally different format than just, you know, one-to-one interviewing.

00:26:20.785 --> 00:26:25.511
And then the one that I just kicked off is the, the um.

00:26:25.511 --> 00:26:29.384
The ai advantage is a new show that I'm just uh about.

00:26:29.384 --> 00:26:32.555
So just uh recorded one episode last week.

00:26:32.555 --> 00:26:39.306
We'll get probably two episodes more in the can before I go to publish, just so I've got it in a pipeline of that.

00:26:39.306 --> 00:26:51.503
But this is all about how do I re-skill, no matter what my job in an AI world, so how do I?

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apply the skills I need to grow.

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If I'm a school teacher, if I'm a lawyer, if I'm a CEO, the way you work you need to totally re-skill, and so it's really going to be bringing people on that are what are they doing to re-skill?

00:27:12.871 --> 00:27:16.304
Because I'm really into AI from a how do I practically apply it?

00:27:16.304 --> 00:27:25.290
Because I feel there's so much one snake oil out there, there's so much marketing out there and there's so much um theory out there.

00:27:25.290 --> 00:27:33.295
But I want to know how do I practically move the dial in what I do each day that I can?

00:27:33.295 --> 00:27:55.392
Because I think the biggest advantage we have as humans that I don't think robots and or ai is going to have is our ability to potentially 100x what we do, because if we cyborg ourselves with AI right, in other words, we use AI to enhance and assist everything we do.

00:27:55.660 --> 00:27:58.523
This is where the sci-fi is coming in right here, just like the good old.

00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.326
Well, here's the crazy thing.

00:28:00.326 --> 00:28:02.503
Right, this device.

00:28:02.503 --> 00:28:06.747
Right, people have been a cyborg for some time.

00:28:06.747 --> 00:28:10.105
They just don't realize it's called a, a smartphone.

00:28:10.105 --> 00:28:15.877
But how much of everything do we do is an extension?

00:28:15.877 --> 00:28:25.472
Ourselves are now extended to this device in some way, so we are now electronically assisted in just about everything we do all the time.

00:28:26.855 --> 00:28:30.842
Yes, I could talk to you for days.

00:28:30.842 --> 00:28:34.682
I could already tell, because there's so much to unpack on here.

00:28:34.682 --> 00:28:37.324
You're doing a lot of shows.

00:28:37.364 --> 00:28:38.248
You are doing a lot.

00:28:38.980 --> 00:29:04.536
I do want to get back to that re-skilling for AI, also with the position of AI encompassing and blending everything together, because in essence it does, because now AI is, I almost think we'll be able to have that point of create me this thing, you go to bed, you wake up and it's there 100%.

00:29:04.462 --> 00:29:05.953
I believe and it's there, a hundred percent I believe that future's coming.

00:29:05.953 --> 00:29:07.596
And then the reskilling is true as well.

00:29:07.596 --> 00:29:11.250
Some of these things are tough to put your head around.

00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:15.070
You really have to open your mind and release the bounds.

00:29:15.070 --> 00:29:18.349
It goes back to your brules, which I'm going to take that as well.

00:29:18.349 --> 00:29:27.383
We put ourselves in boxes and we think that some things are not possible, ourselves in boxes and we think that some things are not possible.

00:29:27.383 --> 00:29:31.130
But you have to take a step back, because you do need to think differently when you're working with AI.

00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:44.130
Just like you know how many years ago we used to go into the field and pick vegetables and then we created machinery to make that job easier and then eventually do most of it for us, right?

00:29:44.130 --> 00:29:56.511
So then the person that managed the farm, they would do other things, but they had to basically reskill themselves to become more productive, I guess you could say for lack of better terms for the conversation, uh, within there.

00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:57.382
So we need to do that.

00:29:57.382 --> 00:30:00.671
So I can't wait to hear that one.

00:30:00.671 --> 00:30:02.836
I I just, can you just throw me on?

00:30:02.856 --> 00:30:07.832
I just want to listen to the conversations and just jump in and just chime in every now and then, get tuned in on those.

00:30:08.031 --> 00:30:10.739
That is, that is fast.

00:30:10.739 --> 00:30:21.363
That topic is fascinating to me, it's interesting to me, but now you have all these shows so I want to just we're gonna, we'll branch off to the ai and the power platform and stuff momentarily, if we have the opportunity, yeah.

00:30:21.363 --> 00:30:22.946
But I see a lot of podcasts.

00:30:22.946 --> 00:30:23.888
I I talk a lot of individuals.

00:30:23.888 --> 00:30:30.084
A podcast, Chris and I do this podcast and we know what it takes to to to put up the podcast and what drives the podcast to.

00:30:30.084 --> 00:30:31.465
You know, keep it alive.

00:30:31.465 --> 00:30:33.109
How do you?

00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:34.472
How do you do it?

00:30:34.472 --> 00:30:38.984
So you do three days a month, 24 episodes according.

00:30:38.984 --> 00:30:48.318
If my math is right, I can do math still soon I won't be able to, and then my smartphone device will be plugged into my head and it would just come up for me.

00:30:48.318 --> 00:30:49.079
I wouldn't even have to think.

00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.521
It would just say 24 episodes.

00:30:50.521 --> 00:30:54.229
How do you keep up with it?

00:30:54.229 --> 00:30:56.492
How do you manage this?

00:30:56.492 --> 00:30:57.795
How do you produce it?

00:30:57.795 --> 00:30:59.182
How do you keep up with the work?

00:30:59.182 --> 00:31:03.590
And you obviously have a family and a job with it.

00:31:04.192 --> 00:31:07.740
You obviously have a family and a job with it.

00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:21.068
Yeah, so I've always my thing in business and in life.

00:31:21.068 --> 00:31:23.440
That is my kind of the way I view things is how can I scale Right?

00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.122
How can I scale anything I do?

00:31:27.142 --> 00:31:36.990
When I, when I started my 90-day mentoring challenge I was in London at the time and I didn't want to interview sorry, I didn't want to mentor three or four people a year I was like how could I, how could I mentor a hundred people a year?

00:31:36.990 --> 00:31:39.404
How could I mentor a thousand people a year?

00:31:39.404 --> 00:31:43.010
Like right now I'm looking, how can I mentor two thousand people a year?

00:31:43.010 --> 00:31:44.887
Um, like right now I'm looking, how can I mentor 2,000 people a year?

00:31:44.887 --> 00:31:48.372
And so I look at everything from how can I scale something?

00:31:48.372 --> 00:32:40.505
And one of the things that you know years ago, before I got into IT, I was in the medical industry and around manufacturing and clean rooms and I had this mentor that I actually went to North Africa with, who is a scientist for this organization called the Fred Hollows Foundation, and what they do is that a lot of people go blind because they get cataract blindness in that country costing $30, chop out the lens at the front of the eye on both eyes and put in what's called an interocular lens, which is made out of Perspex basically, and somebody that was totally blind can now totally see 100%, and good for him, wow for $30.

00:32:40.885 --> 00:32:41.949
For $30.

00:32:42.210 --> 00:32:42.631
Which currency?

00:32:42.631 --> 00:32:47.951
Because $30 in the United States isn't even getting you a pen in the opera, in the.

00:32:48.662 --> 00:32:53.027
In the reception room right, 30 us and in in.

00:32:53.027 --> 00:32:56.527
If I, if you were to do that operation right now in the U?

00:32:56.527 --> 00:33:00.606
S, that's about a 15 to $20,000 operation.

00:33:00.606 --> 00:33:07.643
If I was doing it in my country, that would be around a five thousand dollar operation, um to do that right.

00:33:07.643 --> 00:33:09.606
So here's the crazy thing.

00:33:09.606 --> 00:33:13.653
So this guy you know um, so the guy went with.

00:33:13.673 --> 00:33:35.441
But anyhow, this big concept around this, this word kaizen, which is a um, a japanese term, right of constant improvement, and so I, I use that, I and and I look at and I look at scaling through batching, if I can stop context switching and get into a mindset of of, let's say, in this case, podcasting.

00:33:35.441 --> 00:33:54.288
I know my day is going to flow so well because I am not doing podcasting one episode here and then I'm off working on an ERD for a project or sitting down and having an executive discussion in the next meeting.

00:33:54.288 --> 00:34:07.119
I block out those three days Tuesday, wednesday, thursday because it works well with the time offset for Mondays and Fridays and other people's time zones and I use Calendly for scheduling.

00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:13.802
I have a lady in Canada that runs all my scheduling of the guests, so she handles.

00:34:13.802 --> 00:34:18.072
You know, apart from me I will always identify the guest.

00:34:18.072 --> 00:34:22.268
But just here's an example of scale.

00:34:22.268 --> 00:34:26.119
But just here's an example of scale.

00:34:30.019 --> 00:34:40.704
So on the weekend I extracted from the Ignite website every single person that delivered from Microsoft an Ignite session on AI, right, cross-reference that.

00:34:40.704 --> 00:34:48.163
So I extract that, I give it to my scheduling lady and I get her to put that into a spreadsheet.

00:34:48.163 --> 00:34:56.989
Was their session, what was the session title, what was their name, what's their linkedin url, which she has gone and looked up on linkedin for that person, right?

00:34:56.989 --> 00:35:07.233
I then reached out to 63 of those people with a personal message about the Ignite session.

00:35:07.233 --> 00:35:15.751
They did and I'm not saying I want them to come and talk about that particular session, I'm saying, hey, I want to talk about AI with you.

00:35:15.751 --> 00:35:30.487
And I then, basically, you know, created a template, swapped out their name, their session and that was it, and added their email address.

00:35:30.487 --> 00:35:38.030
And so I went through, sent those all out Now today, because of time zone, right, coming on with the US, et cetera.

00:35:38.030 --> 00:35:42.929
Now they're flowing in and podcasting gives you unbelievable access.

00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:43.891
Yes.

00:35:44.079 --> 00:36:00.646
I don't care if Judson at Microsoft, right, who's like one level down from Satya, did a session, I've emailed him, I've reached out to him, right, and of course one of my things are you might feel you're not the right fit, so who on your team is?

00:36:00.646 --> 00:36:15.048
And so this morning I have an email here where this guy has introduced me to the lady that authored microsoft graph wow that's excellent.

00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:17.413
I've looked her up on linkedin.

00:36:17.413 --> 00:36:30.849
She's a vice, so she's a vice president of that category and he has referred, referred her and she's in the email thread now with her boss saying, hey, you should come on this podcast.

00:36:31.228 --> 00:36:32.371
That's amazing.

00:36:32.371 --> 00:36:34.545
See that's the way to do it.

00:36:34.545 --> 00:36:35.548
I like that.

00:36:35.548 --> 00:36:37.786
Yes, chris, I'm taking notes, don't you worry.

00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:45.568
And so and here's the other thing, the number I've had multiple CVPs from Microsoft on the podcast.

00:36:45.568 --> 00:36:53.025
I would never have that access to these people outside of having a platform that allows me to elevate them.

00:36:54.701 --> 00:37:00.469
Just wouldn't be interested, wouldn't be interested and so I do everything on a scale.

00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:07.641
So, as I say, she does all that scheduling and so there's a two-part process to that.

00:37:07.641 --> 00:37:23.128
I always do a briefing call right with them where we're going to think about topics and themes, but also lets them feel comfortable that because for a long time was funny in podcasting I'd have people reach out and go you should have grilled that person on that point.

00:37:23.128 --> 00:37:34.106
You should not let them off the hook on that like and I'm like listen, I'm not a celebrity tabloid I'm gonna hold you to an account like.

00:37:34.427 --> 00:37:43.969
The last thing I want is my guests to feel uncomfortable on the show, because I want them to come back next year or the year after as they've progressed in their careers.

00:37:43.969 --> 00:37:50.009
I want it to be a good experience for them, and so that's extremely important to me.

00:37:50.009 --> 00:37:52.813
And so what else do I do?

00:37:53.440 --> 00:38:06.605
That is important, by the way, and we have the same belief with that is we want to have a conversation with somebody because we want people to come back to speak with us again, but we also want other people to speak with us.

00:38:06.605 --> 00:38:11.764
So some think that the podcast is meant to be a point to put someone on the hot seat.

00:38:11.764 --> 00:38:26.592
I mean, yes, you can ask them questions if you know of something or whatever, but you do have to know when to stop, because it's important and I think that's where some podcasts become more successful, because the people listening to it can relate to the conversation.

00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:35.510
It's not rehearsed and it's not a marketing, you know, again, for the sake of the conversation, it's not a pre-planned, pre-fabricated conversation.

00:38:35.510 --> 00:38:47.545
It's a real world conversation with, in your case, some of the members of the Microsoft team that you know hold positions for products or areas that are significant, and that's a key point.

00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:56.791
Yeah, we focus a lot on the human side because you know there's always going to be technology and people behind the product, but we want to know who that person is.

00:38:56.791 --> 00:39:04.510
You know they're someone that they can relate to, like what Brad is saying, right, and it's seeing from someone else's perspective and where they're coming from.

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:08.088
So in a way, for me, the way I view it, it's seeing from someone else's perspective and where they're coming from.

00:39:08.088 --> 00:39:13.972
Um, so in a way, for me, the way I view it, it's almost like an indirect mentorship, because I'm sure people are maybe listening and said hey, that sounds like me.

00:39:14.514 --> 00:39:15.416
How did they get there?

00:39:15.416 --> 00:39:16.400
And then they share their story.

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.588
It's like, oh, I see the path they took and, um, and hearing that in return it.

00:39:21.588 --> 00:39:26.135
That's what I thrive and I enjoy that getting to know people.

00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:27.684
Yeah, I like it.

00:39:27.684 --> 00:39:28.367
I like it.

00:39:28.367 --> 00:39:35.253
So, just to wrap that out, I um so use cattle calendarly to do all the scheduling.

00:39:35.253 --> 00:39:39.230
That just aligns all the different time zones right so easily.

00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:43.420
Um, and then I do the podcast recording.

00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:47.050
I use riverside like this, even like I'm impressed with your guys background.

00:39:47.050 --> 00:39:52.190
I haven't seen that feature that I could change out that background and I noticed it was on the land in as well.

00:39:52.190 --> 00:39:55.235
Um, are you on the very expensive plan?

00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:57.559
I don't know.

00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:03.735
It was one of those I paid for the year um.

00:40:03.735 --> 00:40:05.739
I'll have to look at the plan to see which plan we have.

00:40:05.905 --> 00:40:17.438
It's the same plan as me, because, as in from the, the plan above, this is like tens of thousands of dollars, it's like yeah it's, it's weird how they go.

00:40:17.438 --> 00:40:24.139
It's like economical because I was like one day I was like book a call with us to talk about the next level and what you get.

00:40:24.139 --> 00:40:28.411
So I had this call and it's like, yeah, it's about ten thousand dollars a year.

00:40:28.411 --> 00:40:31.157
I'm like, yeah, I'm a hobby podcaster.

00:40:31.157 --> 00:40:33.608
Like that ain't necessary.

00:40:33.688 --> 00:40:43.170
Like this is just all I want to do is allow another person on my account, right, so I could have a separate login, which is that's amazing.

00:40:43.572 --> 00:40:46.311
Oh yeah, it's funny how that goes.

00:40:46.311 --> 00:40:55.693
It goes from one person to two people, but the cost for one to two people you might as well write your own software.

00:40:55.733 --> 00:40:58.766
I think it is a great tool, though it makes.

00:40:58.766 --> 00:41:03.496
I can't say enough how and they just keep improving it.

00:41:03.496 --> 00:41:05.786
I've never come across a piece of software.

00:41:05.806 --> 00:41:12.606
They keep dropping value all the time yeah, every day and I really appreciate the technology that.

00:41:12.606 --> 00:41:15.530
When chris and I started, we started like most people.

00:41:15.530 --> 00:41:20.280
We started with teams, then we went to Zoom go to meeting or Zoom.

00:41:20.925 --> 00:41:21.630
Then we went to Zoom.

00:41:22.184 --> 00:41:29.932
And then, you know, as we got more into it, had more guests and sort of you know for lack of a better term was found on sort of niche.

00:41:29.932 --> 00:41:35.931
We're like we really need to be able to have separate audio tracks, separate video tracks and.

00:41:35.931 --> 00:42:00.989
Riverside's method of locally saving and uploading those so you get the web recording and those is wonderful, because I can't tell you how many calls we've had with individuals such as yourself that are way away and you have internet issues, you have connectivity issues and when the final publication comes, you can't even tell that there was a challenge.

00:42:01.650 --> 00:42:03.992
So this dude blew my mind last week.

00:42:03.992 --> 00:42:16.362
He was from Spain and he works for Microsoft on doing a lot of their stuff that goes to YouTube and so I wanted to do a behind the scenes like how does it all work?

00:42:16.362 --> 00:42:24.626
And he blew my mind with Riverside.

00:42:24.626 --> 00:42:41.052
He gets, he gets his get hit the the interviewer from Microsoft to log on on a smartphone into Riverside and just set that up at a on you know, a tripod or whatever, and that's another total, different camera view, so I can actually be logged in twice with my phone as another camera whoa wait, wait a second, wait a second.

00:42:41.213 --> 00:42:54.036
So yeah, unbelievably man mind-blowing because you can just mute the phone right while you just have another video and think about it, and so one of his things that he does is hold on a second so I can record.

00:42:54.056 --> 00:43:00.655
I'm so if I logged in on my phone right now, right right now, you in on my phone right now, right now you could join this session right now.

00:43:00.824 --> 00:43:02.030
And have a different camera angle.

00:43:02.525 --> 00:43:09.856
And now have a camera angle up to the side or wherever you place it, and it's going to record its own channel, right, its own video.

00:43:09.856 --> 00:43:14.856
So now you're just creating B-roll that you can use to mix up.

00:43:14.856 --> 00:43:30.512
So this guy, what he does for the topness at microsoft, what he does is he jumps out of um character and talks to his audience while he's interviewing somebody, as he does this.

00:43:30.532 --> 00:43:35.210
So what he does is that he'll turn to the camera and go can you believe what this guy's saying?

00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:38.706
And then when they do that, cut that up and post.

00:43:38.706 --> 00:43:42.436
It looks like it's just perfectly and he'll do a cup.

00:43:42.436 --> 00:43:54.255
You know a couple of those that will never make the cut, but on camera, on the video, it just might look so cool because he's just like breaking the third one is you know so to speak from a dramatic perspective.

00:43:54.315 --> 00:44:00.119
Yeah, they use riverside too that's, yeah, I can't say enough how great riverside is.

00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.603
But, chris, you know exactly what I'm thinking.

00:44:01.603 --> 00:44:03.291
Because because, do you remember the time?

00:44:03.291 --> 00:44:05.760
We had a time where chris logged in?

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.793
I logged in, we went, everybody was in the same room and we couldn't, you know, get it all together.

00:44:10.793 --> 00:44:13.108
We wanted the camera, but the microphones were picking up.

00:44:13.108 --> 00:44:15.693
It became a challenge because of the feedback.

00:44:15.733 --> 00:44:24.135
But now, with that, wow it's such a I'm always learning from you mark, because last time we spoke, you gave me some stuff you both?

00:44:24.175 --> 00:44:25.922
would you know if you're both in the same room?

00:44:25.922 --> 00:44:29.818
On that scenario, both got mobile phones right, so now you got two other cameras.

00:44:29.818 --> 00:44:34.110
You're going to add the additional camera feeds right to the maximum that riverside will take.

00:44:34.130 --> 00:44:37.594
Yeah, I think it's eight people you can have into a call which.

00:44:39.157 --> 00:44:39.898
I'm mind blown.

00:44:39.898 --> 00:44:43.407
Now I am Chris.

00:44:43.407 --> 00:44:45.454
This is See, we're always learning something from Mark.

00:44:45.454 --> 00:44:48.773
You see, his OG's been this for a long time.

00:44:48.773 --> 00:44:49.797
I'm learning, I'm learning.

00:44:49.885 --> 00:45:00.617
It was 641 episodes it's so I see a lot of podcasts coming and going in.

00:45:00.617 --> 00:45:03.530
You know the course of my day and the course of my week.

00:45:03.530 --> 00:45:05.110
And I understand it.

00:45:06.806 --> 00:45:07.530
Is there even a loo?

00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:08.750
What they're committing to?

00:45:09.585 --> 00:45:11.012
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

00:45:11.012 --> 00:45:17.708
So a question I have here and what you just spoke about with you know some of the things having someone help you.

00:45:17.708 --> 00:45:19.514
There is work behind it.

00:45:19.514 --> 00:45:26.255
It does look easy to just sit down and have a conversation, but there's post-production if you want it to look well, if you want it to sound well.

00:45:26.255 --> 00:45:38.887
So I see a lot of them come and go, but you've been doing it for eight years 641 episodes shows that have transitioned appropriately as the times change, because you need to update and stay fresh.

00:45:38.887 --> 00:46:01.880
If you could give advice, or two things one advice to somebody who's interested in starting a podcast or who has a podcast, what you think that they should know, or some words of wisdom to be successful with starting a podcast, continuing a podcast, and what it takes for a podcast to be produced.

00:46:04.266 --> 00:46:22.125
I would say the fundamental thing that you need to nail is the ability to listen, and I know it's not technical or anything, but the reason that I've gone so long is that my fundamental goal from day one was to use the podcast.

00:46:22.125 --> 00:46:29.255
The reason the selfish reason I started podcasting was I needed a practical way to learn how to listen.

00:46:32.539 --> 00:46:32.880
Interesting.

00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:33.380
I like that.

00:46:33.721 --> 00:46:36.534
Right, I'd been in management positions for so long.

00:46:36.534 --> 00:46:47.056
I was really good at telling people what to do and that I was the smartest person in the room always.

00:46:47.056 --> 00:47:02.086
Right, that's how I accelerated my career, because I was generally the smartest person in the room, and with that comes a belief that you're moving beyond a white belt right to use your medical.

00:47:02.246 --> 00:47:25.356
Yeah, that was good, that was good and, and I want to, um, I really wanted to like, honestly, I had a sign on my computer, uh, like a post-it note on my screen, which said shut the fuck up, um, which was telling me because I would see that ask your question and then shut up, let them tell.

00:47:25.356 --> 00:47:29.572
You know, not have to add my story to everything.

00:47:29.572 --> 00:47:31.938
You know why my view is this and blah, blah, blah.

00:47:31.938 --> 00:47:40.018
No, it's, let's make them the superstar and let's really listen, and that's why I've learned so much, so much, so much from my guests.

00:47:40.018 --> 00:47:41.510
So that's the fundamental thing.

00:47:41.510 --> 00:47:43.853
The other thing don't expend money on tech.

00:47:43.853 --> 00:47:50.590
Do it for the minimum you can until you realize that this is something you seriously want to do.

00:47:50.590 --> 00:48:07.235
And on day one you might be serious, like I just saw someone mentioned this morning on another call that I had with a guy in Brazil and he was saying yeah, I've just been invited to be a guest on this podcast and you know this individual started this podcast.

00:48:07.235 --> 00:48:17.833
I've just finished mentoring him on my 90-day mentoring challenge last year and he's doing like so many things and I know it's almost like he's trying lots of things.

00:48:17.833 --> 00:48:20.208
But will he be podcasting in a year's time?

00:48:20.208 --> 00:48:20.831
I don't know.

00:48:20.831 --> 00:48:24.730
It'll all depend on whether that's the thing that sticks for him or not.

00:48:24.730 --> 00:48:26.755
So but then you get these people that go out and go.

00:48:26.755 --> 00:48:27.965
Well, it's all about the tech.

00:48:27.965 --> 00:48:30.009
I need to go get all the best tech I need.

00:48:30.048 --> 00:48:31.471
You know, I never had the sure.

00:48:31.471 --> 00:48:35.516
As you know, um, what is it a sure sm7.

00:48:35.516 --> 00:48:36.579
I never had that.

00:48:36.579 --> 00:48:47.414
On day one, when I was sitting in Nottingham in the United Kingdom doing a world travel in my cousin's apartment, I had my laptop on my surface on my.

00:48:47.414 --> 00:48:51.474
The camera was on that, the microphone, that was it.

00:48:51.474 --> 00:48:52.226
You know.

00:48:52.226 --> 00:48:54.815
The hum of the fan came through in the audio.

00:48:54.815 --> 00:48:58.233
It was low tech man, I.

00:48:58.405 --> 00:49:04.911
But the thing is, sometimes you just got to get going and then trust the process that you'll get better.

00:49:04.911 --> 00:49:07.512
With time your things will become more important.

00:49:07.512 --> 00:49:09.552
This is my fourth microphone.

00:49:09.552 --> 00:49:22.505
I think I'm on now, as I have, you know, learned and seen others, and you know my wife is about to get into podcasting and I didn't get her a Shure SM7B.

00:49:22.505 --> 00:49:30.594
Rode have got a brilliant podcast microphone out there, which I think is you know where this one's.

00:49:30.594 --> 00:49:34.230
This microphone's been around for years and used in the audio industry.

00:49:34.230 --> 00:49:35.192
It's the.

00:49:35.192 --> 00:49:40.699
The newer ones are designed for um for the.

00:49:40.699 --> 00:49:47.186
You know the world of podcasting, but if you get a blue yeti I'll come and kill you never get a blue yeti microphone.

00:49:47.226 --> 00:50:02.949
It is the shittiest sounding over so many background noises with that right, um, that that somebody could ever use, um, but yeah, so you iterate over time and, like even Riverside, you know the current software that I'm using.

00:50:02.949 --> 00:50:12.186
I've been through four different other softwares even that were dedicated for podcasting, outside of those ones, like you know, I've recorded on Skype for business.

00:50:12.186 --> 00:50:14.972
I wouldn't say I record on link.

00:50:14.972 --> 00:50:18.018
I think Link had gone by the time I first started podcasting.

00:50:18.731 --> 00:50:20.085
Wow, talk about a time machine.

00:50:20.567 --> 00:50:21.268
It's crazy.

00:50:21.268 --> 00:50:22.713
It's crazy the stuff that.

00:50:22.713 --> 00:50:30.251
But you get better and you get better and you know there's multiple different formats that you can do podcasts in.

00:50:30.251 --> 00:50:48.987
That's why I've just found recently I'm branching out into like only last year did I do a solo podcast for the first time, recording where I riffed for 30 minutes myself and I was like, wow, I had never done that and I usually took 30 minutes talking to myself on air.

00:50:49.628 --> 00:50:56.454
Um, but yeah, it was crazy, it's crazy and as long as you get something out of it for yourself, that's all that matters matters.

00:50:56.835 --> 00:51:00.891
What you had just mentioned is important To me.

00:51:00.891 --> 00:51:04.952
Listening to you goes to your point and that is also something that I have learned.

00:51:04.952 --> 00:51:13.677
I get anxious sometimes to speak because I don't want to lose my train of thought, so I try to jot down notes of things so I can go back to it, because I want to hear what you have to say.

00:51:13.677 --> 00:51:26.012
Because speaking with someone like you, you have so much to me in the short words that you're saying Like you just talked about some things, but you uncover it so much about what it takes to be a podcast about.

00:51:26.012 --> 00:51:29.568
You know you don't need the tech, you just need the process.

00:51:29.568 --> 00:51:48.295
You need to, and I think also not having the tech helps you with the process, because you learn how to progress, not just saying I have the fanciest mic and now the microphone's not working, so this is garbage, it's you kind of have to go through the evolution of it, which is important.

00:51:50.086 --> 00:51:58.094
And the big thing is the passion for it, which what I heard you say I'm just going with you, like these are the things that I was thinking with it, telling you my story.

00:51:58.094 --> 00:52:04.070
Right, what you just told me not to do, I'll do so it's.00:52:04.070 --> 00:52:19.135


But for you to be able to sit and talk with yourself and just go off and talk says a lot, because you have a passion for the podcast, you have a passion for the topic that you want to speak about, which is another thing that you know.00:52:19.135 --> 00:52:22.827


If I could throw in something is is you have to have a passion behind this, because it is.00:52:22.827 --> 00:52:43.565


It is a lot of work, and if you think of it as work or you think you're going to get X from it, you're not, it's, it's something that you have to do, it for the reason of passion, and we, we have planning calls too, when I tell everybody, chris, and when we talked, also, it's, you know, if it's relatable and somebody can get something from it.00:52:43.666 --> 00:52:58.195


And every single time I say, even if it's only me, yeah, because my goal is that somebody can get something from the podcast, even if it's myself, and I've always appreciated learning from the individuals that we speak with, and you do it by listening.00:52:58.637 --> 00:53:01.110


Totally, I love it.00:53:01.110 --> 00:53:01.552


I love it.00:53:01.552 --> 00:53:03.612


It's not cheap, by the way.00:53:03.612 --> 00:53:11.298


So my wife, we've got into business together in the last 24 months 12 months really.00:53:11.646 --> 00:53:12.891


Oh no, I want to hear that story too.00:53:15.291 --> 00:53:23.152


And so she went through our accounting system and look at what the cost to run the podcast was, and I'd never done that.00:53:23.152 --> 00:53:27.686


It costs 18 000 us a year for me to run my podcast.00:53:27.686 --> 00:53:33.297


That's not including any of my time, that's just the outgoing bills.00:53:33.297 --> 00:53:38.831


I pay to run the podcast because I don't do my post-production.00:53:38.831 --> 00:53:40.115


I outsource all that.00:53:40.115 --> 00:53:46.268


So for each one of those shows I have a different post-production editor, and this is once again going to scalability.00:53:46.748 --> 00:54:04.056


If my editor falls over because they're in countries all around the world, those editors, I don't want to lose my entire, all my episodes because my podcast, uh, post-production person decides it's not for them anymore or switches career or whatever, right.00:54:04.056 --> 00:54:09.632


And so, yes, yes, I have individuals that do all that work for me.00:54:09.632 --> 00:54:14.766


Um, my thumbnail cover art a guy in nigeria does that for me.00:54:14.766 --> 00:54:19.737


Um, so it's definitely a multinational run operation.00:54:19.737 --> 00:54:42.835


I've got people in Australia, people in the Philippines that are doing those different editing of those artifacts and then, of course, and then you've got the whole publishing schedule making sure it's going out, it's getting posted on social media, that you're writing the right, you know, blurbs, titles, all that kind of stuff which you know.00:54:42.925 --> 00:55:00.329


I use Riverside as my hosting platform and it has a functionality in there that made my podcast viewership really jump when they bought it out, which was they had embedded AI and they give you five potential titles for this episode based on the content in the transcript.00:55:00.329 --> 00:55:04.697


Well, you know, just take the mvp show, for example.00:55:04.697 --> 00:55:11.264


If you go back three years or four years, you would say, hey, it's brad on the mvp show, that's the title of it.00:55:11.264 --> 00:55:11.865


I'm listening.00:55:11.865 --> 00:55:14.230


Hey, it's christoph on the mv.00:55:14.269 --> 00:55:19.619


Like, wow, that's a real hook me into your episode opening line right.00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:22.592


Yet now it's much more.00:55:22.592 --> 00:55:23.956


You know detailed.00:55:23.956 --> 00:55:43.610


You know I remember having a lady on from Turkey on the show and you know it brought Turkey into the title, it brought a couple of other things and of course it just expands the viewership because now people that are going, oh my gosh, somebody else in Turkey is doing this and they're all listening to it, they're sharing it with their friends.00:55:43.610 --> 00:55:44.052


Look at this.00:55:44.052 --> 00:55:48.114


And so the AI functionality got really, really good.00:55:48.114 --> 00:55:48.657


It's funny.00:55:48.657 --> 00:55:54.172


Now I'm thinking of turning that off and not paying for that feature.00:55:54.172 --> 00:56:00.579


It's an extra $20 on Buzzsprout because I feel that their LLM behind it is still 3.5.00:56:02.686 --> 00:56:03.471


I did notice that.00:56:03.905 --> 00:56:06.045


And I'm like that's not a good title.00:56:06.045 --> 00:56:09.916


That title is no longer good enough for my expectation now.00:56:09.916 --> 00:56:21.755


It was way better than what I had, and the other thing I noticed is that it takes too much from the opening preamble as the primary thing of the podcast.00:56:21.755 --> 00:56:24.981


Because LLMs are inherently lazy in that right.00:56:24.981 --> 00:56:28.373


They'll take the first little segment and go bang.00:56:28.373 --> 00:56:29.777


I'll go with that.00:56:29.777 --> 00:56:34.797


Where I'm wanting to go, I want the meat and potatoes towards the mid and latter half.00:56:34.797 --> 00:56:51.492


That's what I want your description and title to be based on, and so that's still going to require manual interaction because it means when I copy the transcript to say, come up with a title, I'm only going to copy from after we've done the preamble, the intro, once we're in the meat and potato.00:56:51.492 --> 00:56:54.855


That's what I want you to build me the description and or title on.00:56:54.855 --> 00:57:01.418


So that's a new thing that I'll be adding to the podcast this year and using just to enhance it.00:57:02.164 --> 00:57:13.494


Yeah, it's a good call out, because we do use Buzzsprout and I do notice that it picks up very well in the first maybe 10 minutes of conversation and after that I'm like, what is it talking about?00:57:13.494 --> 00:57:17.190


That's not even close to what we were talking about, and so?00:57:17.190 --> 00:57:21.998


But Brad's been giving me all the descriptions, so it's been, he's been my AI.00:57:22.418 --> 00:57:25.293


Yes, yes, I do use the Riverside AI for some.00:57:25.293 --> 00:57:30.893


But, um, you know, we've been experimenting with the descriptions.00:57:30.893 --> 00:57:48.596


Uh, you know, with some guidance and trying to, as you had mentioned, just get, get it to become more catchy and something to pick up on that actually encompasses what somebody could expect to listen to, to bring up but, also every episode's not for everybody as well, so it's it's.00:57:48.985 --> 00:57:54.514


It's the other thing with the podcast is you know you can't expect to have a million people listen to every single episode.00:57:54.514 --> 00:57:57.411


You just have to put it out and see that.00:57:58.715 --> 00:57:59.336


It helps someone.00:58:00.465 --> 00:58:02.150


Well, I think I mean even over time.00:58:02.150 --> 00:58:03.476


So you could release a podcast.00:58:03.476 --> 00:58:13.471


And I've noticed that you could release a podcast in the first week or two it's, you know, small listenership and then you know, a year later, you see, like something we spoke about last year, all of a sudden it starts spiking.00:58:13.471 --> 00:58:17.347


Yeah, all of a sudden it starts spiking.00:58:17.347 --> 00:58:17.789


Yeah, you know, so it's.00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:19.237


It's one of those things with podcasts being, I always say it's timeless.00:58:19.237 --> 00:58:21.567


Yeah, you don't know when it will show up, where it will show up, how it will show up.00:58:21.606 --> 00:58:28.465


So also my six most successful, you know, is and based on the number of um downloads.00:58:28.465 --> 00:58:33.713


Sometimes they're just my most surprising.00:58:33.713 --> 00:58:44.534


You know, right now my most successful podcast was with a guy in France and it was about doing UX and UI for power apps.00:58:44.534 --> 00:58:52.376


And this guy had no experience on power apps or at all, and he wasn't a Microsoft person, right, he was a designer.00:58:52.376 --> 00:58:57.157


And it's my most download watch episodes of all time.00:58:58.664 --> 00:59:00.005


Interesting, that's interesting.00:59:01.128 --> 00:59:03.597


I went for somebody outside the game yeah.00:59:04.447 --> 00:59:18.099


I'd be curious to see ours was actually the architecture behind Business Central, which is something we had done with a Microsoft product manager, and I was like which is something we had done with a Microsoft?00:59:18.139 --> 00:59:19.184


Product manager, yeah, product manager.00:59:19.184 --> 00:59:22.898


And I was like huh and yeah.00:59:22.918 --> 00:59:25.411


sometimes we're surprised by some of these statistics.00:59:25.411 --> 00:59:40.311


You know that there's a market for people that are trying to understand what is keeping up enterprise software and those are most listened and tuned in Interesting.00:59:42.389 --> 00:59:43.172


There's a lot to it.00:59:43.172 --> 00:59:48.827


Well, Mr Mark, I have a million questions for you, but I'm trying to be respectful.00:59:48.827 --> 00:59:49.570


Do you have more time?00:59:49.570 --> 01:00:01.108


Yeah, we can talk forever then we can talk forever then about the podcast stuff, because you've blown my mind on so many things.01:00:01.108 --> 01:00:02.253


I'm still hung up on the camera.01:00:02.253 --> 01:00:04.947


I still have my favorite new term called brules.01:00:04.947 --> 01:00:07.007


You had taken white belt for life from Chris.01:00:07.007 --> 01:00:10.545


I'm going to use brules going forward.01:00:10.905 --> 01:00:31.215


I will say, though, if I take a quick pause, I do want to say thanks for introducing us to Podpage, because it allowed us to kind of move and kind of grew up a little bit right and then went to PodPage to redo our website, and so that's very, very helpful tip.01:00:31.215 --> 01:00:32.358


So I appreciate that.01:00:32.378 --> 01:00:38.126


Yes, thank you, we're still going through the transition to PodPage and everything's on PodPage.01:00:38.126 --> 01:00:46.371


But, as you know, we had moved over there just before the end of the year and we've been doing this for close to four years now.01:00:46.371 --> 01:00:49.092


I can't even believe that it's like you you've been doing it for eight.01:00:49.251 --> 01:00:50.733


For us it's almost four years.01:00:50.733 --> 01:01:00.157


It'll be four years and a few months and we have all that content that was brought over and now, obviously, some of the features that are in PodPage we didn't have before.01:01:00.157 --> 01:01:05.199


And again, with the time commitment, we're just going in slowly and adjusting.01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:11.981


What needs to be adjusted for the previous episodes and that's what Chris and I talk about is that we'll eventually get to it and the new episodes.01:01:12.001 --> 01:01:12.702


We get the new stuff.01:01:12.702 --> 01:01:29.570


That is another one PodPage and Riverside are the two staples, in my opinion, that you need to have, because a hundred percent featuring functionality, right it's, it's riverside buzzsprout and uh okay, yes yeah, and pod page.01:01:29.731 --> 01:02:01.831


I think, like my goal this year is to get more audience participation, and Podpage has a thing called voicemail on it where somebody can literally click a button, they approve their you know to take audio and they can record something right, and so that AI advantage show of multiple times encourage people given a bitly link.01:02:01.831 --> 01:02:25.391


You know I've created a bitly link, so a short link for them to be able to access it and leave me a voice message, because then I'm gonna play that voice in a future episode and address whatever it is, um, or, or speak to whatever they talk about, but it's allowing that person now to come into the show, right, and that's such a cool feature.01:02:25.786 --> 01:02:26.811


That is a cool feature.01:02:27.085 --> 01:02:33.452


I've had it there for as long as I've had PodPage, which I don't know how long, how many years it is now but nobody's ever used it.01:02:33.452 --> 01:02:35.833


I've never encouraged it, I've never talked about it.01:02:35.833 --> 01:02:45.626


But I'm wanting a much more a participant, uh engagement in the podcast, if possible using audio rather than yeah, that'd be cool.01:02:45.806 --> 01:02:47.891


Found on the bottom right hand corner, that's it.01:02:47.931 --> 01:02:50.898


Yeah, that's it record your voice.01:02:51.644 --> 01:02:55.608


No, that's pretty amazing well with that, just you know, just a conversation with us.01:02:55.608 --> 01:02:58.010


Nobody's listening.01:02:58.010 --> 01:03:05.516


We're going to be doing a few things this year similar to what you're doing, just to grow in and branch out.01:03:05.516 --> 01:03:07.699


Have you ever done any live podcasts?01:03:07.699 --> 01:03:09.099


I thought of doing live podcasts.01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:11.842


You're talking about the voicemail to get the audience participation.01:03:11.842 --> 01:03:21.989


What about time zone taken out of the whole conversation?01:03:22.009 --> 01:03:23.711


obviously podcast, which then you then syndicate afterwards.01:03:23.711 --> 01:03:26.739


Yeah, so for a year, about a year and a half, I did a weekly one.01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:28.847


Uh, live, fully live.01:03:28.847 --> 01:03:32.172


Uh, so live stream to youtube.01:03:32.172 --> 01:03:39.385


Um, people would be commenting, like I use obs to to run that configuration on desktop.01:03:39.385 --> 01:03:48.077


Um, I did it with a mate in the us, in florida, and we would banter and you know.01:03:48.077 --> 01:04:02.309


But the thing is, what we noticed is that the audience you would always get your audience that were the same people we didn't find after a year and a half that were attracting new people.01:04:02.309 --> 01:04:10.771


It was just the same core of loyal followers that wanted to put stuff in the chat and be in the banter and that type of stuff.01:04:10.771 --> 01:04:24.295


And so I knocked I knocked it on the head because it just didn't seem to be going anywhere and that engagement numbers, right.01:04:24.425 --> 01:04:31.438


One of the things I think that people like podcasts is that they listen at a time or watch at a time when it's convenient for them.01:04:31.438 --> 01:04:33.246


And what I noticed when I started this, it was all around commute.01:04:33.246 --> 01:04:37.411


What I noticed when I started this, it was all around commute People.01:04:37.411 --> 01:04:42.998


If they're on a train or on a bus or whatever method of commute in their car.01:04:42.998 --> 01:04:45.360


That's when they would put the podcast on.01:04:45.360 --> 01:05:06.001


The problem with a live in a global market is that there's only going to be a fraction of people that their time is free right now when your time is free, that their time is free right now when your time is free, and so that's why I've never, you know, even Riverside has this new full live function and stuff that you could do.01:05:06.769 --> 01:05:19.494


In Florida, I was at a conference and I set up three cameras on a rig, all running off my Surface laptop, and I did full live streaming from the conference floor.01:05:19.494 --> 01:05:28.418


This was pre-COVID and the amount of people that watched the live was minuscule.01:05:28.418 --> 01:05:44.181


Heaps of people watched the after the fact and I would just like I was in the middle of the expo area and had a whole area cordoned off big backdrop.01:05:44.181 --> 01:05:46.525


You know all provided by the conference organizers.01:05:46.525 --> 01:05:47.550


They thought it was epic.01:05:47.550 --> 01:05:50.353


Right, we're going to do live streaming from the floor.01:05:50.353 --> 01:05:53.809


And you know Charles Lamana, for example.01:05:53.809 --> 01:05:59.289


I did a 30-minute off-the-cuff interview with him, both on cameras.01:05:59.289 --> 01:06:02.248


Boom, I had two chairs.01:06:02.248 --> 01:06:04.034


I was in one chair, he was in the other.01:06:04.034 --> 01:06:06.793


We just sat down and we'd just riff on stuff.01:06:06.793 --> 01:06:12.396


But once again, the live was more effort to keep it live.01:06:12.396 --> 01:06:14.057


And you imagine conference Wi-Fi?01:06:14.057 --> 01:06:14.864


Oh, absolutely.01:06:14.925 --> 01:06:18.014


Although in this case I actually had wired.01:06:18.014 --> 01:06:28.297


One of my prerequisites to doing it is that they had to give me a wired internet connection just because I knew conference Wi-Fi is notoriously bad.01:06:28.297 --> 01:06:35.291


And then the following year Microsoft had me do that in Atlanta at one of their conferences.01:06:35.291 --> 01:06:46.891


And man, it's just such a once again it's more fun the actual engagement in there and you'd have people standing around the peripheral watching what was going on.01:06:46.891 --> 01:06:52.311


But the tech is so amazing that we could do this on what.01:06:52.311 --> 01:07:01.971


I could fly from the other side of the world in my suitcase, equipment-wise, and provide this amazing, you know, high fidelity experience.01:07:01.971 --> 01:07:11.277


So I've definitely played with all these things, um, but it's the traditional podcasting and mainly audio, but I'm going more and more to video podcast now.01:07:11.277 --> 01:07:16.117


Um is is kind of the model it's worked no, I I I agree with you on it.01:07:16.137 --> 01:07:26.030


I mean, I think the live is fun and it's also live is good because if you, as you mentioned, the post-production, not even the post-production but the post-broadcast individuals can still watch.01:07:26.030 --> 01:07:32.246


But I know I listen to a lot of podcasts, like you said, and it's always of opportunity I can listen to it during the day.01:07:33.246 --> 01:07:37.391


I listen to it usually while I'm working in the background, and then I'll pause it if I have a meeting or something.01:07:37.391 --> 01:07:44.057


So it's rare that I listen to a podcast from end to end because I don't have the opportunity, as you mentioned.01:07:44.057 --> 01:07:47.722


If I'm commuting somewhere or if I'm out walking, I stop and go.01:08:00.224 --> 01:08:05.625


But I do like the live aspect of it because, again, like you said, you get the cool factor of being maybe at a location and doing something live and then also, you know, maybe limit the post-production that you need to do, because it's just yeah, you know one, and done right.01:08:05.644 --> 01:08:08.090


Yeah, yeah, and I've been practicing.01:08:08.090 --> 01:08:15.070


I can do it pretty well now with the stream, deck and ob using obs you know, stream deck is amazing.01:08:15.132 --> 01:08:18.356


Right in anything from Elgato is.01:08:18.356 --> 01:08:27.069


I've just bought more Elgato stuff this week and for me I've got to bring that all in from overseas because it never hits where.01:08:27.069 --> 01:08:30.230


You know New Zealand for years, but I don't know if you've noticed.01:08:30.230 --> 01:08:43.430


They've just bought out a hub for the Stream Deck, a USB hub that you've actually got to unscrew and it fits inside it and gives you this on-desk hub as well as an SD card reader and stuff like that.01:08:43.430 --> 01:08:46.283


It's for the Elgato.01:08:46.283 --> 01:08:49.551


That's the latest, this one here with the knobs and stuff.01:08:50.185 --> 01:08:53.287


I don't have that one, I have just the one with the buttons.01:08:53.908 --> 01:08:55.152


I use it for the longest time.01:08:55.492 --> 01:09:00.168


That's exactly what I have have you got the foot pedal one under your desk as well.01:09:00.168 --> 01:09:03.030


No, I got the foot pedal one.01:09:03.405 --> 01:09:13.515


I'm looking at you now in my Elgato HD cam through an Elgato teleprompter, which is, just honestly, this alone.01:09:13.515 --> 01:09:20.872


Every person that does Teams calls needs to get this config because it allows for such a much better personal experience.01:09:20.872 --> 01:09:22.478


And you're never going.01:09:22.478 --> 01:09:25.067


You know what's the audience reaction.01:09:25.067 --> 01:09:27.273


What's the audience reaction on other screens.01:09:27.273 --> 01:09:44.582


You're seeing it right in front of you and I was in this Teams meeting the other day and I was saying let's call them truth bombs that not everybody wanted to hear um, the truth, right, but the thing is, as I was saying it, I was able to read everybody's reaction.01:09:44.582 --> 01:09:51.365


Five other people on that call their faces were right in front of me and I'm talking right into the camera, so I knew I had their attention.01:09:51.365 --> 01:10:00.127


I could see how they responded to what I was saying and it just creates a much more personal experience when you can, you know, have this.01:10:00.188 --> 01:10:02.252


And it was only MVP summit.01:10:02.252 --> 01:10:07.112


Last year I had another MVP because this they weren't even shipping these around the world.01:10:07.112 --> 01:10:12.269


Pick it up for me, bring it to conference and have it.01:10:12.269 --> 01:10:13.369


And and added he was.01:10:13.369 --> 01:10:20.006


He was, uh, he's another, uh, you know, podcast, a content creator, and he was like man, why did you buy this, you know?01:10:20.006 --> 01:10:20.850


And like, guess what?01:10:20.850 --> 01:10:31.056


He has one now because it's just, it is so awesome Much better than like camera attachments that have these little like mirror effects and you put your iPhone in.01:10:31.056 --> 01:10:35.914


No, it's a proper dedicated, there's screen, the reflection is a proper extension.01:10:35.914 --> 01:10:37.690


It flips it all by default.01:10:37.690 --> 01:10:41.811


I can teleprompt it as well, if I, if I, uh wanted to do that.01:10:41.811 --> 01:10:49.394


Um, but yeah, solid, solid more tips yeah, I'm, just I'm.01:10:49.514 --> 01:11:00.177


I'm light years behind mark now because the this I was been practicing over the break the holiday break of, you know, being able to switch scenes, transition scenes and everything.01:11:00.177 --> 01:11:03.215


I mean OBS we don't use OBS, we just use Riverside.01:11:03.215 --> 01:11:10.679


But for some of the other recordings that I want to do in 2025, I've been messing with OBS and with the Steam Deck.01:11:10.679 --> 01:11:12.070


I mean the Stream Deck.01:11:12.070 --> 01:11:15.850


Excuse me, the only thing I used the Stream Deck before was to like copy and paste on the Mac.01:11:16.653 --> 01:11:19.217


Show hidden files and copy and paste plain text.01:11:19.217 --> 01:11:21.448


That was it.01:11:21.448 --> 01:11:29.347


My favorite feature is having all the time zones that I work across, having all those clocks on it.01:11:29.368 --> 01:11:39.125


Oh right, in front of you I can see Seattle, london, singapore, chicago, new York, sydney, brisbane, madrid, zurich, vienna Sorry, that's Brussels, what was the other one not Brisbane?01:11:39.125 --> 01:11:41.231


And I've got all those times there.01:11:41.231 --> 01:11:46.555


So when I have a guest come on I'm like, yeah, I can see kind of what time they're in straight away.01:11:46.555 --> 01:11:53.945


And then the other one I love is a color picker from the stream deck, so there'll be a color on screen and wherever your cursor is, you just hit the button.01:11:53.945 --> 01:11:55.970


It gives you the hex code on it.01:11:55.970 --> 01:11:58.252


I've used that a lot.01:11:59.576 --> 01:12:01.118


I have to use it more.01:12:01.118 --> 01:12:02.039


I have to use it more.01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:03.347


Maybe I'll get.01:12:03.347 --> 01:12:04.775


The issue is I have multiple setups.01:12:04.775 --> 01:12:05.661


I like to move around.01:12:06.264 --> 01:12:06.364


Yeah.01:12:06.845 --> 01:12:16.256


So I have basically three workstations here to work with, so I need to just pick one and Pick a spot.01:12:16.256 --> 01:12:17.931


Pick a spot and make it cool, like yours.01:12:18.766 --> 01:12:25.173


When I set up my studio which was, once again, this is only a more recent thing Like I've got sound attenuation on the walls and stuff like that.01:12:25.173 --> 01:12:28.971


It made it so much easier.01:12:28.971 --> 01:12:36.173


Like I used to record from anywhere on the road and you could tell in the audio quality the experience, that type of thing.01:12:36.173 --> 01:12:42.934


Now I purposely, like I often every conference I go to oh, would you do a podcast live from the conference?01:12:42.934 --> 01:12:46.087


No, nope, it's just.01:12:46.087 --> 01:12:51.354


I know when I've got everything at my fingertips it's going to be a much better output.01:12:51.354 --> 01:12:58.565


It might seem fun to do at a conference, but I'm like that means I've got to have a bunch of microphones.01:12:58.565 --> 01:13:05.117


You know, I've got to take my road um caster desk.01:13:05.417 --> 01:13:19.167


No, no, that's a hassle for me to lug that around the world um I do have a roadie kit though that is, is that size my entire road kit now, and, uh, that's pretty epic for doing podcasts at an event.01:13:19.588 --> 01:13:20.493


Podcasts in the road.01:13:21.551 --> 01:13:37.087


Having a dedicated workspace is important because it's easy to just sit down and do, versus set up and do and then break down or whatever We've tried to do, some live and some on the road and you learn everything.01:13:37.087 --> 01:13:41.252


You have to try everything and you learn uh is is is what I can say with it, and too.01:13:42.886 --> 01:13:45.314


And it's fun, the learning, it is fun.01:13:46.408 --> 01:13:51.335


It is the creativeness is the fun part for me, um, and the meeting the individuals as well, too.01:13:51.335 --> 01:13:53.345


I, I have so many things.01:13:53.345 --> 01:13:55.801


I have so many things back to the AI conversation that we started off with.01:13:55.801 --> 01:13:59.335


I have so many things, I have so many things back to the AI conversation that we started off with.01:13:59.335 --> 01:14:10.614


You know, not to take away from the podcast portion of it, but, um, so you had mentioned, um, ai and you know, basically just blending everything and the need to reskill.01:14:10.614 --> 01:14:24.612


Um, where do you see AI in the future of ERP software, even power Platform, and now you have, you know, with Copilot Studio, everybody can create their own piece of it Now, within ERP, the word you know.01:14:24.612 --> 01:14:26.476


Last year the word was Copilot.01:14:26.476 --> 01:14:45.958


This year the word is Agent, which was the tail end of last year Within your, because you work with Power Platform at this point, outside of the podcast, where do you see AI as it fits within the future of the ecosystem?01:14:51.046 --> 01:14:52.332


People might not like my answer.01:14:54.027 --> 01:14:54.789


I like your answer.01:14:55.091 --> 01:15:04.012


I can already tell I think it's all going to disappear, as in.01:15:04.012 --> 01:15:12.020


What I mean by that is that the concept of you and I interfacing or building out solutions is what's going to disappear.01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:16.256


You know, in the power platform we have a tool called power automate.01:15:16.256 --> 01:15:17.494


We have power apps.01:15:17.494 --> 01:15:25.698


We have power BI All what I would call the hammer, the screwdriver, the pliers of our industry.01:15:25.698 --> 01:15:28.951


Right, they're the tools that we use Now.01:15:28.951 --> 01:15:34.777


You might have F&O, you might have Business Central, you might still be on a Narvision system, right?01:15:34.777 --> 01:15:35.900


Or NAV system.01:15:36.409 --> 01:15:56.860


The thing is, these are all software that were designed for us to keyboard in data, run a report, get data out of, look at inventory levels, look at manufacturing data, look at where we are up in the business process.01:15:56.860 --> 01:16:01.399


I think all that's going to be abstracted away from us in our day-to-day lives.01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.108


So I'm not saying that software is going away.01:16:04.108 --> 01:16:05.837


I'm not saying Power Automate's going away.01:16:05.837 --> 01:16:15.090


But if you have I'm a power automate consultant in five years time on your title, I would be shocked because that will be.01:16:15.090 --> 01:16:16.412


Oh yeah, remember that software.01:16:16.412 --> 01:16:25.837


We know it's running behind the scenes, but all our interfacing, all our comms will happen via uh apis into that data.01:16:25.837 --> 01:16:34.779


We don't care where it is, we don't care what the interface over it is, or we will choose the interface based on what we're doing right now.01:16:34.779 --> 01:16:42.018


So I think that our role as consultants in this space is going to dramatically change in the next five years.01:16:42.018 --> 01:16:50.362


Right, I don't see a long-term strategy of becoming a power automate expert, you know from an automation layer.01:16:51.251 --> 01:16:55.069


I don't think RPA has been a long term strategy in my career.01:16:55.090 --> 01:17:00.203


I think you hit that because and I think it's accelerated and it's something that you have to grasp your head around.01:17:00.203 --> 01:17:22.761


If you look at the conversations on agents, how agents will work in their specific functions, and then the, the ability of the AI to model and do things, you will have and I say this abstractly you will have data that exists and, as you had mentioned, I'll be able to say I want to see this, wait a few minutes, and it will be there.01:17:22.761 --> 01:17:26.957


So that interface that you have, we primarily focus with Business Central.01:17:26.957 --> 01:17:36.384


I think that will change as well, too, because now the order entry system, looking at the sales orders, like that whole interface, will change to where?01:17:38.091 --> 01:17:39.197


An agent does it for you.01:17:39.310 --> 01:17:43.139


Well, the agent will get the data in Agent can process some of the data, can do some of the analysis.01:17:43.139 --> 01:18:09.087


There's certain things that can be automated, that people review, but how you review it will change and how you take that data and process it will change and what you process will change because these systems are getting faster, more structured, so that dynamic ability to process will change as well.01:18:09.989 --> 01:18:28.960


Mark, you hit a point there that I feel I have the same opinion, where the consultant you are today will be different within the next couple of years, because you're so used to the technical aspect of putting all together, architecting it.01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:30.203


It's no longer that.01:18:30.203 --> 01:18:45.235


It's almost where the consultant will become more of a conversational business consultant rather than a specific product, because as a consultant, you have to look at the bigger picture and when you look at a bigger picture you're looking at different technologies.01:18:45.235 --> 01:18:48.095


Right, it's now becoming that.01:18:48.095 --> 01:18:48.898


It's going to shift.01:18:48.898 --> 01:18:50.582


It's going to be pretty wild.01:18:50.685 --> 01:18:51.109


Massively.01:18:51.630 --> 01:19:05.907


It will go much quicker than it has because we can say that it has evolved over time with the way that technology has advanced with data processing, with computer processing and architecture processing.01:19:05.907 --> 01:19:09.761


Chris, to your point, I agree, or view that as well.01:19:09.761 --> 01:19:40.176


It's your business knowledge and how to adapt to that and work with things is going to be important Right now, even looking at ERP implementations, again focusing on Business Central, now that they've introduced the D365 stack, I'll call it with Power Platform and all those tools Power Automate, power everything, power Agent, ai you no longer just say let's limit it to the box of Business Central for a business to process the requirements that they have.01:19:40.176 --> 01:19:49.144


It's how can we piece all these things together to give someone what they need to become where they'd like to be within their business?01:19:49.144 --> 01:19:53.462


I'm in alignment with you in that sense that it will all disappear.01:19:53.462 --> 01:20:00.319


It will just be like one of those robots, right, or one of those systems where it's all just there.01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:01.953


Just give me this.01:20:02.574 --> 01:20:04.039


I don't care how it's all connected Give me this.01:20:04.751 --> 01:20:09.382


I think we'll have input devices which could be in.01:20:09.382 --> 01:20:16.661


It could be they could be tactile input devices, they could be visual, they could be auditory input devices, right?01:20:16.661 --> 01:20:30.170


And then I think we're going to have all our screens and you're going to go, you know, bring me up the three month forecast on product X and put it on that screen there and it would have context of you pointing.01:20:30.170 --> 01:20:36.960


If you had a projection screen or whatever I can put on my iPad and it will have the context of all those devices.01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:48.234


But when you ask for that data, it will just be formatted without the chroma, without the noise of every interface and it will just be data.01:20:48.234 --> 01:21:02.359


So I'm feeling that how we interface in the future from a visual element will look a lot more like really, really awesome graphic design on steroids and no interface.01:21:02.921 --> 01:21:05.650


You won't need a hamburger menu because you're not going to go.01:21:05.650 --> 01:21:07.253


Go up there open.01:21:07.253 --> 01:21:13.484


Like you know, the whole concept of navigation is going to go away, right, why will you need navigation?01:21:13.484 --> 01:21:16.617


You'll just command through to your next level.01:21:16.617 --> 01:21:18.252


Wherever you want, you'll go.01:21:18.252 --> 01:21:24.462


I need to drill deeper into those numbers and, by the way, all our enrichment feeds on any data set.01:21:24.550 --> 01:21:25.813


So if we're talking about a customer.01:21:25.813 --> 01:21:46.885


It's found overnight the latest news item regarding this customer and how it's going to actually plummet their ordering potential over the next three months, and your system's already updated with that data and said, hey, we're going to need to mitigate that by bringing on three new customers over in this area, but you didn't think that that's what you needed to do, but it's gone.01:21:46.885 --> 01:21:48.873


I know that this is going to be the outcome.01:21:48.873 --> 01:22:03.322


Based on patterns of the last 15 years, I think that we're going to be just like being able to operate at whatever speed our mind will let us go at, and so I think, man, every consultant is going to need their skills to develop master communicator skills.01:22:03.322 --> 01:22:07.579


You're going to have to be able to communicate at all levels.01:22:15.109 --> 01:22:16.293


I've said this to somebody a year or two ago.01:22:16.293 --> 01:22:26.313


I said relationships is going to be the important part of this industry, and what I mean by relationships is what you said the ability to communicate, the ability to share knowledge and I'm going to take back what you said as fast as our minds can process.01:22:26.313 --> 01:22:37.698


So we're saying, and for the sake of this conversation and it's a fun conversation, it's all prediction based on our thoughts Within five years, we'll be in that state.01:22:37.698 --> 01:22:46.292


I'm going to say, within 10 years, we're going to go back to a word that you said, and I wanted to talk about this as well, too along with the AI, we're going to be cyborgs.01:22:46.292 --> 01:22:57.555


You're talking about the context of devices, I think, if you look at what we have done medically with individuals which is great with the ability to hear again, with the ability to see again.01:22:58.230 --> 01:23:03.510


If somebody has a challenge with one of their limbs because of an accident or maybe something.01:23:03.510 --> 01:23:12.351


When they were born they had a challenge and they can put a hand on them so that they can navigate easier.01:23:12.351 --> 01:23:19.962


You can put some of these devices, I think, where that information will just be there.01:23:19.962 --> 01:23:33.859


It's weird, in a sense, that you can think it and it will come, based upon all the information that's there, even today, with the phone, as you had talked about, or on the computer in conversation.01:23:34.921 --> 01:23:43.978


I'm anti using the phone, like when we're eating dinner and such, so we can have that human interaction, unless it's the concept of sharing something or we're talking about something, we need to look it up.01:23:43.978 --> 01:23:48.229


But how often do you look things up now and how fast do you get the response?01:23:48.229 --> 01:23:57.739


Even now, with all the search engines no longer listing the websites, they give you the AI summary first, and then you can link to the websites for further information.01:23:57.739 --> 01:24:03.716


So that is not that far off Before some of us would dream that this isn't our lifetime.01:24:03.716 --> 01:24:05.239


I'm an old dude.01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:06.722


This is my lifetime.01:24:07.893 --> 01:24:11.914


We'll see this the way you mentioned earlier, mark um.01:24:11.914 --> 01:24:14.501


You know you, when you described yourself, it's, it's, it's.01:24:14.501 --> 01:24:22.354


You know you got to think outside the box now be able to not be confined within the parameters of what that technology does you.01:24:22.354 --> 01:24:39.242


You have to really think about that now further and learning about other products and services, and then allows you to become a better business consultant rather than a power automate consultant yeah, so totally, and I think people need to get smarter about time horizons.01:24:39.743 --> 01:25:15.649


You know I need to get this done because it's you know, it's going to be too late, otherwise I'm 53 and as and I've so I've had 30 years in a career, right, and I feel like that and, by the way, that's my third career, so I had, I had two others prior to going into IT and at my age I feel like I'm just starting over and I've got another 50 years to go, right, and so I think that some things around, oh, you need to play, you need to be fast, because it's going to be too late.01:25:15.649 --> 01:25:19.810


I am now looking at how I'm educating myself.01:25:19.810 --> 01:25:23.421


Is, for the long, another 50 years, right?01:25:23.421 --> 01:25:34.582


And I know that, if I can point to people that are 50 and they think life's on the decay, we're on the tail end, we're in our final years.01:25:34.582 --> 01:25:36.890


You know it's a path to retirement.01:25:36.930 --> 01:25:56.743


Here I'm just like man, the, we're just getting started and and when you talk about cyborg, I think you know within 50 years we could, we could become a mortal right, meaning that every medical condition is solvable and the only reason people die of old age it's not because of old age.01:25:56.743 --> 01:25:58.653


It's a disease in old age.01:25:58.653 --> 01:26:04.163


Right, it's a degenerative disease generally that kills old people.01:26:04.163 --> 01:26:13.060


So I think there's no reason why the body couldn't last 150 years if it was medically maintained from.01:26:13.060 --> 01:26:14.743


Everything was repairable.01:26:16.050 --> 01:26:18.279


It's not only that, it's you supplement it.01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:22.402


We talked about the cyborg with the mind, with information.01:26:22.402 --> 01:26:28.519


Those are all parts of aging, unfortunately, where cognitively you slow down.01:26:28.519 --> 01:26:32.100


For lack of better terms, it's just a part of age.01:26:32.100 --> 01:26:37.061


But if you can augment that with being a cyborg, all of that information is still there.01:26:37.061 --> 01:26:38.555


You don't forget that information.01:26:38.555 --> 01:26:46.003


You can repair and enhance your body in a sense to keep it moving.01:26:46.003 --> 01:26:49.435


Like, what do you need to keep moving?01:26:49.435 --> 01:26:57.898


You need oxygen, you need blood what is who's to say?01:26:57.917 --> 01:27:12.984


this is like sci-fi this is sci-fi on steroids in a sense, why can't you take all of you, put it on a system that someone had a conversation with you and that could be long gone, but someone could still have a conversation with me.01:27:12.984 --> 01:27:13.685


It's possible.01:27:14.010 --> 01:27:15.215


It's absolutely possible.01:27:15.215 --> 01:27:15.978


It's possible now.01:27:15.978 --> 01:27:20.381


The function of your heart is to pump blood.01:27:20.381 --> 01:27:23.418


The function of your lungs is to expel waste.01:27:23.418 --> 01:27:26.136


You put oxygen in your body.01:27:26.136 --> 01:27:28.060


It goes and collects waste, so you expel the waste.01:27:28.060 --> 01:27:34.761


Who's to say that can't be a mechanical function that works with your body?01:27:34.761 --> 01:27:38.135


And look how small the phone is.01:27:38.135 --> 01:27:47.881


The challenge is now we do have those devices that can keep individuals alive in the hospital, but they're large devices.01:27:47.881 --> 01:27:51.720


Drop those devices to where it can be small.01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:53.195


Thankfully we have pacemakers.01:27:53.195 --> 01:27:54.515


We have other devices like that today.01:27:55.291 --> 01:27:58.761


Just imagine that At scale.01:27:58.761 --> 01:28:01.659


At scale for the rest of the bodily functions.01:28:01.659 --> 01:28:04.658


Chris, to your point, you'll be around forever.01:28:04.658 --> 01:28:08.168


It's sad that the world's population will have a challenge.01:28:08.350 --> 01:28:12.658


My mind will be around forever, but it will even be your mind at that point.01:28:13.570 --> 01:28:15.599


You'll just have all of the information of the world.01:28:16.271 --> 01:28:24.578


We don't have to worry about world population sizing because so many countries, including China, some of the biggest populations in the world, Japan, etc.01:28:24.578 --> 01:28:35.300


They're all in a population decline because of government policy and now human nature selfishness, if you like.01:28:35.300 --> 01:28:36.261


I don't support a kid.01:28:36.261 --> 01:28:39.876


That's my money yes, are you crazy?01:28:39.876 --> 01:28:41.501


This is about my life?01:28:41.582 --> 01:28:42.063


no, I don't know.01:28:42.063 --> 01:28:46.434


I've talked to many generations behind ours and they don't want you so.01:28:46.474 --> 01:28:47.636


So there's that whole thing.01:28:47.636 --> 01:28:49.118


I don't think we're going to overpopulate.01:28:49.158 --> 01:28:55.474


I think, if anything, we're declining in that, thankfully, yes, I want the turtles and the birds to live, to be honest with you, I say that statement.01:28:55.474 --> 01:29:02.082


I say with all sincerity I care for the planet and the animals and the structures of the planet.01:29:02.082 --> 01:29:06.792


I don't want to say more so than people, but more so than people.01:29:06.792 --> 01:29:09.213


But I think the population will go down.01:29:09.213 --> 01:29:20.783


I say that in jest, because now your companion will also be a cyborg Dude you can fit in an SD card forever.01:29:21.302 --> 01:29:21.823


That's it.01:29:21.823 --> 01:29:22.884


You can fit in an.01:29:23.024 --> 01:29:23.345


SD card.01:29:23.345 --> 01:29:29.791


I mean, we say some of this in jest, or at least I do, but it's add the sci-fi to it.01:29:29.831 --> 01:29:46.435


If you go back, even to the sci-fi movies, all that stuff seems to be coming true, like with the imaginations, yeah, but the advances in technology are are increasing exponentially in shorter periods of time to where you you had mentioned, mark.01:29:46.435 --> 01:29:49.342


50 years is a new horizon.01:29:49.342 --> 01:29:52.555


It's not a decline, it's I'm just starting.01:29:52.555 --> 01:30:05.916


Add more ability to not have some of the declining features of age and you will be 120 years old, sitting down saying, ok, yeah yeah, yeah, I'm thinking this with my process.01:30:05.916 --> 01:30:09.140


This is will we ever get to a point where nobody works?01:30:12.613 --> 01:30:16.421


I think the problem is the word work and the understanding of that.01:30:16.421 --> 01:30:19.078


Are we going to get to the point where we don't have to trade time for money?01:30:19.078 --> 01:30:20.020


Absolutely?01:30:20.020 --> 01:30:22.618


Are we ever going to stop creating?01:30:22.618 --> 01:30:24.777


Are we ever going to stop inventing?01:30:24.777 --> 01:30:50.251


For me, my goal right now is to eliminate creating, uh, doing trading time for money, right as soon as I have got the mechanism, which I'm well on the way to doing is allowing money to produce money, um, which is what most wealthy people do, right, they use mailbox money chris to create wealth.01:30:50.712 --> 01:30:51.453


Yeah, is that?01:30:51.453 --> 01:30:51.913


Then?01:30:51.913 --> 01:30:58.251


I have got like an unlimited supply of projects I want to work on that.01:30:58.251 --> 01:31:00.393


Don't make money, but they're projects.01:31:00.393 --> 01:31:02.636


I want to work on their ideas.01:31:02.636 --> 01:31:05.878


I want to bring to life my oldest son.01:31:05.878 --> 01:31:13.011


He's 19, and the property I'm on here is an acre and a half and he goes.01:31:13.011 --> 01:31:23.981


You've just created Minecraft in real life and I'm like that's exactly right, that's exactly what, because we used to play Minecraft all the way through, you know, as younger years.01:31:23.981 --> 01:31:43.430


And now I have created a real Minecraft that it's not blocky but it's me creating the world like trees, plants, food, everything, um, you know I've got a centropic forest and everything that I'm developing because I want to one reduce my sustainability footprint.01:31:43.430 --> 01:31:46.275


But I have unlimited projects.01:31:46.275 --> 01:32:04.725


I have unlimited number of countries and locations I want to see and people I want to go see and spend time with, and um, if I didn't have to trade time for money, that would be epic, sooner or later better that is the goal but I'm still back.01:32:06.695 --> 01:32:08.541


talk about getting something from the podcast.01:32:08.541 --> 01:32:14.942


I got the most from this, I think that definition of work, trading time for money.01:32:14.942 --> 01:32:19.395


It goes back to the concept of what we started the episode with.01:32:19.395 --> 01:32:31.534


What we just mentioned is you have to change your thought process to the limits that you know today, Because those limits won't be there, or those boundaries or those rules.01:32:31.534 --> 01:32:32.796


It all comes together.01:32:32.796 --> 01:32:47.802


Those rules that we have that tell us how we have to do something, keep us in a box, and the reality is we don't have to stay in that box in the sense and can move forward and have to look at things differently.01:32:47.802 --> 01:32:50.197


All this within my lifetime too.01:32:51.453 --> 01:32:54.377


You only have a couple of years on yourself Fascinating within your lifetime.01:32:55.470 --> 01:32:55.792


I'm just.01:32:55.792 --> 01:32:57.738


I don't even know what to say anymore.01:32:57.738 --> 01:32:59.636


And it's not that I ran out of things to say.01:32:59.729 --> 01:33:03.350


I'm just left speechless because my mind You're going through science fiction.01:33:03.409 --> 01:33:12.742


My mind is processing so many things with the conversation that we've had this morning, this afternoon, this evening it's.01:33:12.742 --> 01:33:27.021


I could do this for days and for hours, but we do have to trade time for money, uh all of us in the year of 2025 but uh, mark, thank you for taking the time to speak with us.01:33:27.101 --> 01:33:29.658


It's been an enlightening conversation.01:33:29.658 --> 01:33:33.019


We didn't get a chance to talk a lot about the power platform stuff that I had hoped to.01:33:33.019 --> 01:33:35.373


Hopefully we can do that at some point in the future.01:33:35.373 --> 01:33:36.438


I know you have a busy schedule.01:33:36.438 --> 01:33:38.453


I'll reach out to you afterwards and maybe we can go.01:33:38.453 --> 01:33:40.256


Good, we can try to keep it.01:33:40.277 --> 01:33:49.155


It's a powerful platform, but I don't know with us, this group, but, uh, thank you for all that you do, thank you for all that you do, thank you for all that you do for the community and the podcast that you have.01:33:49.155 --> 01:34:03.060


If anyone's looking to maybe get in contact with you to learn about some of the great things that you're doing, find more information about your podcast, find about your roadblocks in real life and some of the other great things that you work on, how would they do so?01:34:03.909 --> 01:34:05.413


So LinkedIn, best way to get me.01:34:05.413 --> 01:34:06.676


You can't miss me.01:34:06.676 --> 01:34:07.939


Nz365 guy.01:34:07.939 --> 01:34:18.893


In fact, if you just type that into any um, llm or search engine or whatever you want, all roads point to rome, as in they will, they'll all point to me.01:34:18.912 --> 01:34:22.845


Nz365 guy excellent and I love that sign.01:34:22.845 --> 01:34:25.472


I've been waiting for a sign just like that for years.01:34:25.472 --> 01:34:26.475


I'm going to have to get one.01:34:26.475 --> 01:34:27.720


Chris, we'll have to make it.01:34:28.051 --> 01:34:29.036


I shared one with you.01:34:29.036 --> 01:34:30.395


I know I just have to order it.01:34:30.631 --> 01:34:32.350


I really appreciate the background.01:34:32.350 --> 01:34:33.675


Yeah, that's it.01:34:33.675 --> 01:34:34.537


You got a spot for it.01:34:34.537 --> 01:34:38.729


You both got spots for that absolutely, I'll put somewhere.01:34:38.729 --> 01:34:40.034


But thank you again for your time.01:34:40.055 --> 01:34:40.797


We appreciate it.01:34:40.797 --> 01:34:42.375


Look forward to speak with you again soon.01:34:42.375 --> 01:34:42.735


Ciao, ciao.01:34:43.157 --> 01:35:04.863


Take care, mark ciao, ciao thank you, chris, for Take care, mark you, for all of our listeners tuning in as well.01:35:04.863 --> 01:35:32.788


You can find Brad at developerlifecom, that is D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-Ecom, and you can interact with them via Twitter D-V-L-P-R-l-i-n-o dot i-o, and my twitter handle is mattalino16.01:35:32.788 --> 01:35:36.414


And see, you can see those links down below in their show notes.01:35:36.414 --> 01:35:37.778


Again, thank you everyone.01:35:37.778 --> 01:35:39.322


Thank you and take care.
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